caveat emptor (let the buyer beware)

Genevieve M · 04-19-12, 10:53 PM

Hi,

I bought what I THOUGHT was a P90x workout on Ebay. Turns out that it is a p90x knock-off. Something called Supreme 90-day. I had punched in P90x into the Ebay search and this came up, because it was a 'p90x-style' workout.

Wrote back to the seller, who does not take returns and has a 100% rating. How could that be? I told her that regardless of her policy, she used misleading advertising and I wanted a refund.

Do you think I have a chance to get my money back? Even if this workout is good, I feel totally duped, and I think I paid more than it is being sold on-line.

Thanks for any insight you may have.

NoraKate · 04-19-12, 11:18 PM

do you have a link to the original listing?

CharM · 04-19-12, 11:27 PM

For some reason i thought saying something is "like [insert brand name here]" was not allowed? I see plenty of them, though. I don't think sellers should do it, but the S90 listings i just saw (with P90x in the title) all had descriptions and /or pictures of the workouts.

S90 is $7 at Ross. I hope you can get your money back.

Peggy T · 04-20-12, 08:15 AM

I buy all my stuff on Amazon nowadays, just because of incidences like this. eBay has gone downhill, imho.

NoraKate · 04-20-12, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peggy T

I buy all my stuff on Amazon nowadays, just because of incidences like this. eBay has gone downhill, imho.

me too!

buuuut.... Ebay has been improving.
you just have to read very very carefully.
and always check the ebay seller's feedback

Cammie-Cam · 04-20-12, 11:10 AM

Was this the listing?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AS-SEEN-TV-S...#ht_1694wt_905

If this is the one you're talking about, I don't find this misleading. The picture isn't of P90X it's a pic of Supreme 90 Day, so it's not like she's saying it's one thing and then selling you something else. Also in the listing she describes each workout, some have similar names to the P90X workouts but some don't. What she's banking on is that someone who doesn't know about Supreme 90 and how similar it is to P90X or who isn't very familiar with the names of the workouts in P90X, will think this is P90X and purchase. I'm sorry that this happened to you though. I would suggest in the future just research as much as you can before you buy anything on ebay. Ask the seller questions as well, I believe you can do that before you bid. If they don't answer then that means they may have something to hide.

Also, from what I've heard, Beachbody doesn't allow people to sell their workouts on ebay. I'm not sure why. So if you see a listing for something Beachbody sells it may very well be a counterfeit.

Artist of Eyes · 04-20-12, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genevieve M

Hi,

I bought what I THOUGHT was a P90x workout on Ebay. Turns out that it is a p90x knock-off. Something called Supreme 90-day. I had punched in P90x into the Ebay search and this came up, because it was a 'p90x-style' workout.

Wrote back to the seller, who does not take returns and has a 100% rating. How could that be? I told her that regardless of her policy, she used misleading advertising and I wanted a refund.

Do you think I have a chance to get my money back? Even if this workout is good, I feel totally duped, and I think I paid more than it is being sold on-line.

Thanks for any insight you may have.

I would say no. You have to read the discription VERY carefully. As long as the listing says what the item is, it's up to the buyer to read it! I know too many people that have bought something purely off the title of the listing instead of reading the details. The details are the most important thing for buyers and sellers and sellers cannot be held responsible if the buyer doesn't read it.

paideiamom · 04-20-12, 11:46 AM

I think it does totally depend on the listing. If they showed P90X on the listing, then yeah, I would at least ask about it and/or lodge a complaint.
If they showed S90, then I think it is on you.

And as far as Beachbody allowing anybody to sell an authentic product that they have legally purchased, I don't think they can dictate its future ownership, at least in theory.

In reality, Beachbody has been known make it unpleasant for dealers/e-bay sellers who do sell their stuff, taking an offensive standpoint of making the sellers prove they do have a legal right to sell the item.
I think they only scare the honest sellers because it seems to me e-bay is rife with the counterfeiters and it doesn't seem as if BB has had any luck stemming that unending tide of fakes.

FitBoop · 04-20-12, 12:04 PM

It depends on what the title and description were of the item. If the title said P90X, then it's misleading. If the photo showed P90X, then it's misleading. If the title said Supreme 90 and the photo showed Supreme 90, then it's not misleading. If the description said this is a 90 day, P90X-type workout, then it is unclear and could be misunderstood, but may not necessarily be grounds to get the buyer's money back.

sweatie · 04-20-12, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cammie-Cam

Was this the listing?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AS-SEEN-TV-S...#ht_1694wt_905

Selling for $63.95? That's an obscene price for this system.

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04-19-12, 10:53 PM
Genevieve M Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Roslindale, MA	caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) Hi, I bought what I THOUGHT was a P90x workout on Ebay. Turns out that it is a p90x knock-off. Something called Supreme 90-day. I had punched in P90x into the Ebay search and this came up, because it was a 'p90x-style' workout. Wrote back to the seller, who does not take returns and has a 100% rating. How could that be? I told her that regardless of her policy, she used misleading advertising and I wanted a refund. Do you think I have a chance to get my money back? Even if this workout is good, I feel totally duped, and I think I paid more than it is being sold on-line. Thanks for any insight you may have.

04-19-12, 11:18 PM
NoraKate VF Supporter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: pittsburgh	do you have a link to the original listing? __________________ you can have my caffeine when you pry it from my cold dead hands

04-19-12, 11:27 PM
CharM Join Date: Oct 2004	For some reason i thought saying something is "like [insert brand name here]" was not allowed? I see plenty of them, though. I don't think sellers should do it, but the S90 listings i just saw (with P90x in the title) all had descriptions and /or pictures of the workouts. S90 is $7 at Ross. I hope you can get your money back.

04-20-12, 08:15 AM
Peggy T VF Supporter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Virginia	I buy all my stuff on Amazon nowadays, just because of incidences like this. eBay has gone downhill, imho. __________________ Peg If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. -Will Rogers

04-20-12, 11:10 AM
Cammie-Cam Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Delaware	Was this the listing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/AS-SEEN-TV-S...#ht_1694wt_905 If this is the one you're talking about, I don't find this misleading. The picture isn't of P90X it's a pic of Supreme 90 Day, so it's not like she's saying it's one thing and then selling you something else. Also in the listing she describes each workout, some have similar names to the P90X workouts but some don't. What she's banking on is that someone who doesn't know about Supreme 90 and how similar it is to P90X or who isn't very familiar with the names of the workouts in P90X, will think this is P90X and purchase. I'm sorry that this happened to you though. I would suggest in the future just research as much as you can before you buy anything on ebay. Ask the seller questions as well, I believe you can do that before you bid. If they don't answer then that means they may have something to hide. Also, from what I've heard, Beachbody doesn't allow people to sell their workouts on ebay. I'm not sure why. So if you see a listing for something Beachbody sells it may very well be a counterfeit.

04-20-12, 11:46 AM
paideiamom VF Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Atlanta-ish	I think it does totally depend on the listing. If they showed P90X on the listing, then yeah, I would at least ask about it and/or lodge a complaint. If they showed S90, then I think it is on you. And as far as Beachbody allowing anybody to sell an authentic product that they have legally purchased, I don't think they can dictate its future ownership, at least in theory. In reality, Beachbody has been known make it unpleasant for dealers/e-bay sellers who do sell their stuff, taking an offensive standpoint of making the sellers prove they do have a legal right to sell the item. I think they only scare the honest sellers because it seems to me e-bay is rife with the counterfeiters and it doesn't seem as if BB has had any luck stemming that unending tide of fakes. __________________ If you need a hug today, consider yourself hugged. "Moderation is remembered only after the deed is done." Mirabelle Watkinson, fabulous writer in residence. "I am patient with stupidity but not those who are proud of it." Edith Sitwell Words matter. I thought I had seen it all. Then I tried on my bathing suit. (Unknown sage at craft show)

04-20-12, 12:04 PM
FitBoop VF Supporter Join Date: Nov 2001	It depends on what the title and description were of the item. If the title said P90X, then it's misleading. If the photo showed P90X, then it's misleading. If the title said Supreme 90 and the photo showed Supreme 90, then it's not misleading. If the description said this is a 90 day, P90X-type workout, then it is unclear and could be misunderstood, but may not necessarily be grounds to get the buyer's money back.