05-08-17, 02:28 PM | |
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Hmm I absolutely hated the book and did not watch the show. In the discussions surrounding this, I did see statistics that contradicted some of the discussions I've seen here at VF- I'll let everyone do their own research, but look at several different places because every source has at least a small bias- on what percent of attempters have mental illness.
I like this youtuber who works with a lot of young people and here is her thoughts on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfzx86mp83Q I don't 100% agree with everything she says, but the whole revenge, blaming other people made me sick. If you read the book, people did reach out to her and she ignored it. It made me mad that she was presented as "normal" and that killing yourself is nice revenge, but, make sure they all know it. The book/series does a disservice to every parent, therapist, friend, bystander and loved one of someone who has attempted or completed suicide. Most of these people did everything they could. Our society sure could use a little more kindness, but just ugh. |
05-08-17, 02:38 PM | ||
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I sort of get what you are saying and every time someone says they think rape or child molestation is worse than killing someone it makes me want to scream. We are all worth so much more- our value is not diminished by someone taking away our will and physically assaulting us. Such a terrible terrible message. Every single person is valuable enough that they are worthy of a full recovery. We'd never diminish someone who's arm was broken during a robbery. Why devalue someone who was injured (or not) during a rape? |
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05-15-17, 01:33 PM | ||
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05-21-17, 05:29 PM | ||
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From what I've heard about the movie or show, it's much more graphic and many of my daughter's 17 year old friends said it was too much for them and seemed to be glorifying suicide, saying that you can get attention and seek revenge by doing so.
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05-21-17, 07:25 PM | |
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I'm a nurse who works in mental health. I work on an adult, short term inpatient unit. We do not take children. We send children that need admissions to other facilities. We usually see 1 or 2 children a week. The last month we have seen a huge increase in children needing placement. Last week, we had 7 adolescents awaiting placement in the ED. Many are there for days because the facilities that take kids are full. This has been unheard of in the past. Many speculate that the movie glamorizes suicide. I have not seen the show.
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05-21-17, 09:04 PM | ||
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A woman on a FB moms group in my area recently wrote this blog post with a book she thinks is a much better book for kids on this subject https://proudlybipolar.wordpress.com...3-reasons-why/
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05-22-17, 06:16 AM | ||
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It wasn't a show I'd usually watch, but since I have two kids in that age range, who I knew would probably watch it, or hear about it from their friends, I thought I needed to check it out to be able to discuss it. My son had already watched it and we talked about it together. The whole concept seemed pretty weird (about the tapes, I mean). In the time she took to record those tapes, she could've come to a better decision than suicide. I have no idea why she didn't talk to her mom about the rape. |
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05-22-17, 06:36 AM | ||
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05-22-17, 08:27 AM | |
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I just fast-forwarded a bit to refresh my memory.
After she made Tape 12, she says something shifted and she felt a bit better and wanted to give life one more chance and get help. She goes to talk to the counselor at school. In the course of the conversation, she mentions wanting it all to end. He finally gets her to talk about what happened. "Did he force himself on you?" "I think so." "You think so? But you're not sure? Did you tell him to stop?" "No." "Did you tell him no?" "No." "Maybe you consented, then you changed your mind." "No, it's not like that!" "Should we involve your parents or the police?" "No!" He tells her that when a student is assaulted, he's required to go to the police, but he needs to know exactly what happened, and who did it. She says "If I tell you, will you promise me that he'll go to jail? And that I won't ever have to see his face again, that I won't ever have to face him?" He says he can't promise her that, but he will promise to do everything in his power to keep her safe and protect her in this process. He says if she can't give him a name, if she doesn't want to press charges, or isn't sure she can press charges, that there's really only one option - to move on. All of this makes her very upset, so despite his weak references to seeing about "other resources", she walks out of his office, his phone rings and he moves on to other things instead of going after her. He should have called her parents right after she said the boy forced himself on her and not stopped until he knew that she was getting help from other sources. The counselor was completely negligent. |
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