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05-25-15, 06:29 PM | ||
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He lied, and the only reason he half-apologized is that he was found out. Even then, the half-apology was dishonest.
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05-26-15, 05:23 AM | ||
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05-26-15, 05:25 AM | ||
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Lying about yourself to market something is bad. But about something that could be found out so easily smacks of pathology to me. (Or is it easy to find out? Is that stuff kept pretty secret?). It's something he's perpetuated for years and up until very recently. If it had been done once 20 years ago and then dropped/backtracked, that's one thing. The fact that it has been part of the marketing campaign for years is another to me. But this, together with the assholery and criminal activity he wrote about, speaks to character. And if that doesn't matter anymore, we are all doomed.
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05-26-15, 06:25 AM | |
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I'm glad there are people out there who call out this sort of thing. It's not like some guy spinning a yarn in a bar in an attempt to pick up women, Skogg and some of these other people are treading on other's accomplishments and sacrifices for personal financial gain.
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05-26-15, 07:03 AM | ||
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"VeriSEAL utilizes an exclusive proprietary database called SOFCHECK -- a compilation of VeriSEAL historical case files merged with the BUD/S database, which is a complete record of all graduates of Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training from the 1940s to current graduating BUD/S classes compiled by the Naval Special Warfare Center. While the information contained in SOFCHECK is not classified, it is sensitive. VeriSEAL maintains appropriate security measures and restricts direct database access to authorized CTP personnel only. Numerous federal, state and local government agencies and the general public have utilized VeriSEAL to obtain SEAL and other Special Operations Forces background verification. Approximately 95% of the subjects of verification requests are Navy SEAL or other SOF impostors. All inquiries are strictly confidential." Skoggs was a teenager when the events he describes in his blog post happened. According to research, people's brains don't fully mature until around age 25. This doesn't excuse his actions then, but it just shows that teenagers can engage in very impulsive and destructive actions that they wouldn't dream of doing later in life. However, we have seen that Skoggs was still perpetuating his "I was in Special Ops!" myth as recently as 2011 in communications to people on VF, when he definitely was NOT a teenager. He may be a knowledgable kettlebell instructor but he has major problems with personal integrity.
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05-26-15, 09:13 AM | ||
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05-26-15, 10:00 AM | |
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The thing about lies and the liars that tell them is that it immediately makes you wonder what else are they lying about? (TV newsman/anchor Brian Williams comes to mind.)
In the letter to VF-ers in January 2011 (link is posted upthread) Skogg's states: "I've been training with kettlebells for 20+ years." "I'm simply the best." On these two counts alone stalwarts in the kettlebell industry would certainly balk. Pavel started in the US in 1998. In the 2009 blurb, attached to the Weider interview of Skoggs posted on Youtube, it states: "Michael is a coach and trainer who has been working in the fitness industry for 15 years. He was the owner and operator of Inner Strength, LLC, a very successful rehabilitation and conditioning center, specializing in sports related injuries. Michael was in the U.S. Special Forces stationed in the U.K. where kettlebell training was a mainstay of their conditioning regimen. He has continued to use this method to train a vast array of clients and professional athletes alike. 15+ years later kettlebell training is still the foundation to his healthy lifestyle which he enthusiastically shares with his clients." If he never served in US Special Ops, he never trained in the UK with Kettlebells, and thereby I sincerely question the 20+ years claim. |
05-26-15, 11:45 AM | ||
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It's particularly painful to hear someone telling these sorts of lies if your loved one didn't make it back. Someone who didn't even face the risks is going to take accolades for something others have died for? To understand the feelings of betrayal some feel, just think of some group or community you are very involved in. Something you are passionate about. Then imagine someone comes along making claims of grandeur as something special in that community, then down the road you found out it was all a lie. Not only does it insult the actual community you are a part of, but it also insults the members of that community. As far as his apology, only he knows if it is sincere or not. I am trying not to judge because who hasn't told a lie? I mean really. I do believe when someone confesses and tries to fix things it is only fair to give them that chance. I can't help but think that if he really didn't want this lie to get out, he should have just fessed up when his marketing team first said they wanted to use that angle. I have really enjoyed his workouts and he is 'THE' kettlebell instructor I trust. Right now though, I don't think I could stand the sight of him. Those feelings will most likely change down the road. So for me, apology accepted, but I will break from doing his workouts for a while.
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instructor behaving badly, liars, michael skogg, navy seal, skogg, special ops |
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