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Old 05-07-17, 06:43 PM  
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OT Anyone Watch 13 Reasons Why?

So today I finished the novel, as I wanted to read it before I watched the show. I preceded to watch the show's trailer and couldn't believe how much they changed it!

Anyone watch the series? Who read the book?
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Old 05-07-17, 06:54 PM  
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I haven't read the book or watched the film. But I've heard quite a bit of buzz about it. People are concerned that it's glamorizing suicide. Either than that I don't know much about it. What are your impressions?
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Old 05-07-17, 07:05 PM  
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I don't think the book glamorized suicide, as the teenage years are such a vulnerable age. It is hard to say what can drive someone to take their own life. A teenager doesn't have the life experience or maturity to take a step back and evaluate things.

I remember when I was 16 and I was a hot mess! I wish I could sit down now and talk to my teen self, but we don't have the luxury.
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Old 05-07-17, 07:40 PM  
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I don't think the book glamorized suicide, as the teenage years are such a vulnerable age. It is hard to say what can drive someone to take their own life. A teenager doesn't have the life experience or maturity to take a step back and evaluate things.

I remember when I was 16 and I was a hot mess! I wish I could sit down now and talk to my teen self, but we don't have the luxury.

I only watched it--didn't read it. I have mixed feelings about it. Part of me feels that it showed us how simply supporting a friend would help them through hard times. But, it also glamorized "revenge" suicide. It was a profound series. That said, I haven't recommended it to anyone. It frightens me that someone going through a hard time will decide to solve a temporary problem with a permanent solution.

I am interested to hear how the book was different. I also have read that they author has given the producer permission to film a 2nd series. It will not be written by the author.
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Old 05-07-17, 08:59 PM  
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I haven't seen it (we don't get Neflix). However, as a psychologist working in a college counseling center, I watched a webinar about it, and I have had various discussions with colleagues about it.

For anyone thinking about watching (or letting your kids watch--they may have already seen it!), here is a great list of "Talking Points" from the JED Foundation: https://www.jedfoundation.org/13-rea...alking-points/
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Old 05-08-17, 07:21 AM  
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My son is 16 and we watched it separately (I didn't know he was watching it until he noticed I was watching it), and discussed.

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Of all the people she blamed for her suicide, the only ones responsible were the rapist and her school counselor IMO.

She was traumatized by watching her friend's rape and then she was raped herself. She sought help from the school counselor, who failed her completely. He should have AT LEAST, called her parents so they could get her into therapy.

That other stuff - friendships come and go. She was still relatively socially connected. Yes, some of the other kids should have stood up for her when the rumors started, but I don't think that alone was the tipping point. Boys sexualize girls and try to get in their pants whether they have a "reputation" or not. I'm not saying that it's right, but ultimately it was her friend's rape (and her failure to stop it), her own rape, and the nonchalance of an authority figure who was supposed to help her that drove her to suicide.
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Old 05-08-17, 07:27 AM  
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Of all the people she blamed for her suicide, the only ones responsible were the rapist and her school counselor IMO.
Again, I haven't watched the show. I have heard that the counselor did not respond professionally; in fact, I have heard that NONE of the adults respond appropriately in this show. But I feel the need to clearly state something here: NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE! Rape is a horrible thing, but to say that the rapist is "responsible" for the suicide is a disservice to all the women who survive rape. Help IS available.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255
National Crisis Text Line 741 741, text start or go

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Old 05-08-17, 07:46 AM  
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My son's high school sent home a letter about it, stating that counselors were available to discuss suicide and the show if anyone needed someone to talk to.

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Old 05-08-17, 07:54 AM  
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Again, I haven't watched the show. I have heard that the counselor did not respond professionally; in fact, I have heard that NONE of the adults respond appropriately in this show. But I feel the need to clearly state something here: NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE! Rape is a horrible thing, but to say that the rapist is "responsible" for the suicide is a disservice to all the women who survive rape. Help IS available.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255
National Crisis Text Line 741 741, text start or go

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Well, maybe "responsible" wasn't the right word, but she was traumatized by it, and if it were not for that trauma (and the lack of appropriate counselor action), I believe she would not have killed herself.
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