Stay Away From Heavy Weights - Page 3

Jane P. · 09-15-15, 01:27 AM

double post, sorry

superfit41 · 09-15-15, 07:10 AM

It really is silly stuff. Everyone has to do what works for them. It's certainly true that some people cannot lift heavy, but some people have no problem and love it! Ridiculous!

Sherry

athompson10 · 09-15-15, 07:43 AM

I have not done one of her workouts. I will continue that trend.

Totally agree about ignoring exercise absolutists. I had a PT tell me to stop all cardio except swimming but weights were fine, and a chiropractor tell me to cease weight training altogether but do as much cardio as I wanted. Each recommendation was based on the same diagnosis of a disintegrated disc in my lower back.

?!?!?!?!? As soon as I hear "never" in regards to anything fitness or nutrition, I get skeptical.

bubbles76 · 09-15-15, 07:55 AM

Eh, I would probably still do her workouts. They make me happy. I just shake my head at the nonsense she spouts.

cherimac · 09-15-15, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbles76

Eh, I would probably still do her workouts. They make me happy. I just shake my head at the nonsense she spouts.

This. Plus, everyone is different. I don't use heavy weights because I don't need them for my body type and they re-aggravate injuries. But speaking in absolutes is not a good idea. It's who Ellen is, though, and she obviously doesn't target the heavy weight market.

Pat58 · 09-15-15, 08:16 AM

Yes, Ellen says some silly things. The workouts she has produced that I enjoy, I will keep enjoying for all the same reasons. I think it's just how she's wired. I never paid for any of her workouts in the quest for intellectual guidance, let's put it that way. I paid for an enjoyable workout.

PhyllisG · 09-15-15, 08:59 AM

I don't care what Ellen says I will continue to do and enjoy her workouts. I did them when I was lifting heavy and I still do them even tho I am no longer interested in going to failure.

Sollamyn · 09-15-15, 09:09 AM

I'm no Ellen fan but, to be fair, she does warn against "repeatedly" lifting heavy weight. Lifting kids and grocery bags and handbags probably aren't considered as weight lifting, as in repeatedly lifting weights for several reps/sets.

That being said, I have had experience with shoulder pain. The cause? Well, my p.t. said it was due to poor posture. But what exactly was causing the pain? Wasn't it ligaments and/or tendons that were strained from having poor form? And what corrected my poor form? Strength training!! My p.t. started me out with 2 pound weights because I had been avoiding upper body work due to my pain and I was out of shape. But, one year later, I have progressed and I now use five pound weights. But my p.t. gave me no instructions on what weights I should use as I progressed. He didn't tell me to stop at 5 pounds, so I plan to go heavier as soon as I'm able. As long I could do the exercises correctly and as long as they aren't causing me any pain, I can use whatever poundage I want. Having a strong upper back, rear shoulders, and rotator cuffs (while limbering up the chest muscles) seemed to be his goal. And you know what? It worked. Almost one year after my last p.t. session, I am still pain free, all thanks to strength training.

OK, sorry I went a bit off topic.

Donna

Chomper · 09-15-15, 10:17 AM

I think it's rich that she is claiming to be so concerned about muscle balance. What I remember of her DVDs, they were very imbalanced. No posterior chain work at all. It is my impression that that is the biggest cause of injury from muscle imbalances. Maybe any physical therapists here can chime in?

Pam61 · 09-15-15, 10:43 AM

It was about time for some controversy here at VF! This place was getting a bit dull! ;-) Now, to wait for Cathe's New ICE intermediate set to see what the dialogue is then. Just kidding...

Really, people need to use the method of training that suits them and their needs.

I like many of Ellen's workouts and enjoy her! I also like Cathe, Kelly Coffey-Meyer (and lifting moderate to heavy weights!) I love kettlebell workouts, too!

But, anyone can do too much of a good thing and I can see where over use injuries come into play or aggravating old injuries. To each their own.

Ellen should just keep her mouth shut and not appear so crazy, sometimes.

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09-15-15, 01:27 AM
Jane P. VF Supporter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Colorado Springs	double post, sorry __________________ "The two most powerful warriors are patience and time." Leo Tolstoy

09-15-15, 07:10 AM
superfit41 VF Supporter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas, and Mississippi	It really is silly stuff. Everyone has to do what works for them. It's certainly true that some people cannot lift heavy, but some people have no problem and love it! Ridiculous! Sherry

09-15-15, 07:43 AM
athompson10 VF Supporter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY	I have not done one of her workouts. I will continue that trend. Totally agree about ignoring exercise absolutists. I had a PT tell me to stop all cardio except swimming but weights were fine, and a chiropractor tell me to cease weight training altogether but do as much cardio as I wanted. Each recommendation was based on the same diagnosis of a disintegrated disc in my lower back. ?!?!?!?!? As soon as I hear "never" in regards to anything fitness or nutrition, I get skeptical. __________________ Allison

09-15-15, 07:55 AM
bubbles76 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Jersey	Eh, I would probably still do her workouts. They make me happy. I just shake my head at the nonsense she spouts. __________________ "You humans have the potential to be the most wonderful beings there are - if you can get past all these enormous stupid spots you seem to have in your hearts. It's not your fault. You just don't know how to work your hearts right yet. That's why there are dogs." - Jim Butcher, Zoo Day

09-15-15, 08:16 AM
Pat58 VF Supporter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut	Yes, Ellen says some silly things. The workouts she has produced that I enjoy, I will keep enjoying for all the same reasons. I think it's just how she's wired. I never paid for any of her workouts in the quest for intellectual guidance, let's put it that way. I paid for an enjoyable workout.

09-15-15, 08:59 AM
PhyllisG Join Date: May 2005 Location: Woodstock NY	I don't care what Ellen says I will continue to do and enjoy her workouts. I did them when I was lifting heavy and I still do them even tho I am no longer interested in going to failure.

09-15-15, 09:09 AM
Sollamyn Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: S. Illinois	I'm no Ellen fan but, to be fair, she does warn against "repeatedly" lifting heavy weight. Lifting kids and grocery bags and handbags probably aren't considered as weight lifting, as in repeatedly lifting weights for several reps/sets. That being said, I have had experience with shoulder pain. The cause? Well, my p.t. said it was due to poor posture. But what exactly was causing the pain? Wasn't it ligaments and/or tendons that were strained from having poor form? And what corrected my poor form? Strength training!! My p.t. started me out with 2 pound weights because I had been avoiding upper body work due to my pain and I was out of shape. But, one year later, I have progressed and I now use five pound weights. But my p.t. gave me no instructions on what weights I should use as I progressed. He didn't tell me to stop at 5 pounds, so I plan to go heavier as soon as I'm able. As long I could do the exercises correctly and as long as they aren't causing me any pain, I can use whatever poundage I want. Having a strong upper back, rear shoulders, and rotator cuffs (while limbering up the chest muscles) seemed to be his goal. And you know what? It worked. Almost one year after my last p.t. session, I am still pain free, all thanks to strength training. OK, sorry I went a bit off topic. Donna __________________ Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. unknown

09-15-15, 10:17 AM
Chomper Join Date: Nov 2010	I think it's rich that she is claiming to be so concerned about muscle balance. What I remember of her DVDs, they were very imbalanced. No posterior chain work at all. It is my impression that that is the biggest cause of injury from muscle imbalances. Maybe any physical therapists here can chime in?

09-15-15, 10:43 AM
Pam61 VF Supporter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Ocean State!	It was about time for some controversy here at VF! This place was getting a bit dull! ;-) Now, to wait for Cathe's New ICE intermediate set to see what the dialogue is then. Just kidding... Really, people need to use the method of training that suits them and their needs. I like many of Ellen's workouts and enjoy her! I also like Cathe, Kelly Coffey-Meyer (and lifting moderate to heavy weights!) I love kettlebell workouts, too! But, anyone can do too much of a good thing and I can see where over use injuries come into play or aggravating old injuries. To each their own. Ellen should just keep her mouth shut and not appear so crazy, sometimes. __________________ Pam April Focus: Linda Stejskal Wooldridge (Barlates) Dean Pohlman (Man Flow Yoga) April 8th Everyday Yoga Four Week Challenge Jessica Smith Cardio Walks/Pilates Fusion Lee Holden Qi Gong 30 Day Challenge