This was bizarre:

[Jeanne Marie]

Barb,

I love GHAS by Cory also. It WAY out does Volume 1 in the area of "porn", in my opinon. Cory can't quit talking about what "men love", and she's constantly moaning and groaning. Still, I like it, and I don't care about that stuff... just like Volume 1. It's the workout that matters.

I still want to know what is "dangerous" about Volume 1. I hear this all the time. In fact, I did it this morning with the whole "dangerous" thing in mind... thinking I'd pay special attention to each move and try to objectively decide if anything seemed dangerous. Nope. My opinion... it's TOUGH, and sometimes it's easier to just say it's too dangerous instead of admitting it just plain kicks butt. I know it kicks mine every single time I do it, and I've been doing it for a LOT of years.

[lollaleeloo]

Originally Posted by Jeanne Marie

My opinion... it's TOUGH, and sometimes it's easier to just say it's too dangerous instead of admitting it just plain kicks butt. I know it kicks mine every single time I do it, and I've been doing it for a LOT of years.

Couldn't have said it better myself. We need a high-fiving smilie.

[Kimberly33]

but I find that several of the moves are executed too quickly for me to be able to keep good form if I go at the speed shown. The lunges are executed entirely too fast to be safe for me. I also can't keep good form on the military presses and keep up with the video. Those come to mind off of the top of my head--I believe there are more, but it's been so long since I did it, I don't remember every move. Also, it seems that I remember that Susan's and the background exercisers' knees going past their toes regularly on this video in lunges and squats. That would be an unsafe execution, anyway.

I can do plenty of other tough workouts, so I don't think that my problems with this video are just because it's tough. It might be that I'm taller/heavier than many who don't have problems, it might be that my knees are more sensitive, or something else. I always kind of find it insulting when people dismiss other's concerns as "well, you must not be sufficiently advanced" (used most commonly against those critical of Cathe). We all have different bodies, different experiences, different needs and different tastes.

[jordan]

Originally Posted by Jeanne Marie

(snip) I couldn't care less about how Susan is dressed, what jewelry she's wearing, her make up or even the music.... just doesn't matter to me!

Of course, I don't care about that kind of stuff in any workout. I care about how good it works for me. If it's an excellent, tough workout, it doesn't matter how it's presented. I know I'm not the norm in that respect though.

I used to feel this way too. Not only about Susan & the Firm but about any good workout. Now, I feel slightly different. I still care more about the actual w/o but since I have so many good workouts to chosse from, I tend to avoid dated workouts. This is not a knock on old workouts; I just have a big selection and tend to go for the newer versions with better chaptering and such.

jordan

[kimjo]

Originally Posted by Jeanne Marie

Barb,

I still want to know what is "dangerous" about Volume 1. I hear this all the time. In fact, I did it this morning with the whole "dangerous" thing in mind... thinking I'd pay special attention to each move and try to objectively decide if anything seemed dangerous. Nope. My opinion... it's TOUGH, and sometimes it's easier to just say it's too dangerous instead of admitting it just plain kicks butt. I know it kicks mine every single time I do it, and I've been doing it for a LOT of years.

I completely agree Jeanne Marie. I don't think that Volume 1 is dangerous. With this or any workout, I modify if I think I need to for my own safety. There are a lot of workouts that I can't do certain moves at the rate that the people in the workout are shown doing them. In that case I just slow up as much as I need to do the move safely and without "flinging" any weights around. In fact, it seems to me one could "fling" weights around at any speed and while doing any workout. That depends on how you control your weights not on the particular workout IMO.

[gigi]

Susan Harris still sounds breathy to me in Finding Your Core, so I don't think that was a matter of TRYING to sound breathy in volume 1...she just is and that doesn't bother me because FYC is a good workout. Music and the cheesy factor DOES influence me as well as music so I can no longer tolerate volume 1, but I DO remember that it is a GREAT workout.

[gigi]

Originally Posted by Kimberly33

but I find that several of the moves are executed too quickly for me to be able to keep good form if I go at the speed shown. The lunges are executed entirely too fast to be safe for me. I also can't keep good form on the military presses and keep up with the video. Those come to mind off of the top of my head--I believe there are more, but it's been so long since I did it, I don't remember every move. Also, it seems that I remember that Susan's and the background exercisers' knees going past their toes regularly on this video in lunges and squats. That would be an unsafe execution, anyway.

I can do plenty of other tough workouts, so I don't think that my problems with this video are just because it's tough. It might be that I'm taller/heavier than many who don't have problems, it might be that my knees are more sensitive, or something else. I always kind of find it insulting when people dismiss other's concerns as "well, you must not be sufficiently advanced" (used most commonly against those critical of Cathe). We all have different bodies, different experiences, different needs and different tastes.

I didn't see anyone accusing you or anyone else of "well, you must not be sufficiently advanced". Previous posters were asking why someone thought it was unsafe and stating their opnion that they felt Volume 1 was a safe and tough workout.

[Jeanne Marie]

Originally Posted by Kimberly33

I can do plenty of other tough workouts, so I don't think that my problems with this video are just because it's tough. It might be that I'm taller/heavier than many who don't have problems, it might be that my knees are more sensitive, or something else. I always kind of find it insulting when people dismiss other's concerns as "well, you must not be sufficiently advanced" (used most commonly against those critical of Cathe). We all have different bodies, different experiences, different needs and different tastes.

I'm sorry you were insulted, but I didn't (and I don't anyone else did either) insinuate that you were not advanced enough for the workout. You could most likely kick my butt with any workout!

My statement was that I felt that sometimes it seems easier to dismiss it as "unsafe", rather than continue to do it because it's so tough.

I do understand why you think the moves are quick. They are. I just don't think they are "too" quick for safety or effectivness. As you said though, we are all different, and what works for one person might not work for another.

I just don't like Volume 1 being dismissed as unsafe in general, when it just isn't. Like I said, it might not be an ideal workout for you (general "you"), but that doen't make it an unsafe workout.

Again, sorry if I offended. I certainly did not mean to.

[Debra]

Speaking of fast moves, it would be easy to fling away during the standing work in Voight's "Great Weighted Workout". But honestly the 90 minute length is probably why I only do the floor work. I don't think her floor work has an expiration date on it.

Debra

[videofit]

Here are two moves that I can think of where Vol. 1 is unsafe. At the beginning, in most tapes these days, during the warmup you squat and then roll up slowly to stretch your back. Susan is holding 20lbs of weight. That's enough to destroy your lower back, in my opinion.

Then during the floor work at the end, she is lying on her side doing abductions, then she shifts slightly to her back to lift her legs, quads up. Then she goes down on her stomach, but with her chest lifted and her lower body twisted and lifts her leg, hamstring side up. It's the twisting of the lower back while doing that move that is dangerous and I speak from experience. I really hurt myself doing that.

Other than those two instances, I can't think of anything that is dangerous. As for moving too fast with heavy weights, just go lighter.

I still do Vol. 1 except not the whole tape, just that last floorwork section. I modify the bad move by substituting more quad lifts instead. It's a kick*ass short workout if you don't have time.