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01-08-14, 08:10 AM | ||
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It's just not okay to comment on weight, build, body type... any of it. You never know a person's history, and even a well intentioned comment could be hurtful.
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01-08-14, 08:12 AM | ||
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http://forum.videofitness.com/tags.php?tag=bulking I used to work with a gal who competed in figure contests. She didn't look outrageous, but you could tell she worked out. The other women in the office were very admiring to her face, but made fun of her behind her back, calling her "Miss Ahnold" and other names.
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01-08-14, 08:27 AM | |
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What do you guys think of the military delaying the pull up requirement for female recruits and talk of lowering the standard to accommodate women? I personally don't think the standards should be lowered to accommodate females. I feel that women who choose to join the military and the Marines should be prepared to train hard and appropriately to meet the qualification. It appears it hasn't been stressed enough in their training, thus the delay in the requirement.
I really think they need reconfigure the training methods so that the women can be on par with the men and meet the same standards. Caitlin's post discussed the fact that people often approach female training with lower standards to begin with because they assume their weakness, their inability and their frailty. IMHO, this just doesn't fly if one wants to be in the Marines. We are talking about a type of strength that is crucial in their field of duty. There lives may literally depend on it! A trained woman may never be able to do as many pull ups as a trained man, but I think they should at least be able to meet the minimum requirement.
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01-08-14, 08:35 AM | |
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I think it's going to be hard to talk about Marine or military regulations without going political and off-topic. But personally, I'd like to see the same training and testing for both sexes in all professions. You don't hear about different standards for male and female teachers, or doctors or lawyers, why should the military be any different. Even if it results in only one woman in the entire Marine Corps, so be it.
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The first time I ever came into contact with this (and I grew up near Texas) was with a popular girl in my school. She was a dancer and cheerleader and all-around incredible athlete. But several other girls-- nice, well-meaning ones--- were talking one day about how sad it was her trainer messed up and "trained her incorrectly" because girls weren't supposed to have that noticeable muscle on their legs. And it was too bad because she was so pretty otherwise. (By the way, I looked her up a few years ago and found out she runs a gym. Good for her.)
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I think physical requirements for the Marines should be re-evaluated and if they find that pull ups are NOT a good determinate of physical capability, then perhaps they should be removed. But, if the inability to do a pull up in any way jeopardizes a person or a group, then the standards should absolutely not be changed. Personally, I know many women who could pass the standards without even blinking. I don't happen to be one of them, but my daughter is. I couldn't be more proud of her (she's not trying to be a marine, but to keep up with the guys in Parkour).
I found this article interesting and sad in many ways. We should be celebrating the female body in all of it's various forms, not limiting ourselves to one specific look that defines beauty and all others are left out in the cold. I also hate how we women gossip about others behind their backs. To me, a beautiful woman is one who is comfortable in her own body, regardless of the shape of that body. I've spent my entire life trying to be "perfect", but I'm recently changed my goals - I want to love who I am. I've been doing mainly TA for the past few years thinking I needed to be more "feminine". I just ordered P90X3 and I'm going to enjoy the weight lifting every single day. I'm going to strive to love me for me, and to develop strength so that I can do what I love for me - not because someone tells me I should or should not.
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01-08-14, 09:03 AM | ||
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Here's the thing. While most women failed the pull-up test, 45% of them were at least able to meet the minimum requirement. So it can be done. |
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01-08-14, 09:12 AM | |
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Awesome Christine and I couldn't agree more! I feel the same way (about both points). Regarding the pull up standard, I think it should be looked at critically to determine if it truly is a necessary strength requirement in the field. I sort of could see it as being the case in my minds eye though. I picture someone needing to hoist themselves up and out of a situation where they would need that kind of strength in their lats, upper back, biceps, traps and triceps. I can picture a situation like that. Whether that's a true experience or just my imagination being influenced by the movies I watch is debatable (considering I have NO military experience ). lol
It's funny because I've always considered myself a feminist. However, I never thought about physical fitness being related to feminism until the last couple of years or so. It just didn't occur to me. I was never athletic when I was younger and just got really serious about working out in the last 4 years or so. As I have achieved my personal bests in physical fitness (and I really am fitter than I have EVER been in my entire life right now) I am starting to think about it from a different perspective that never occurred to me until now. Reading blog's like F&F has really opened my eyes. Now it's like of course physical fitness is a feminist issue. How could I have not seen that before? So, like you, my goals have changed over the years to be my personal best. For me that has meant achieving strength, cardio and endurance goals that I could never do before with the aesthetic angle being a pleasant side bonus to those goals. I push myself to achieve moves that I couldn't do before because it makes me feel good about myself. I feel proud, strong and happy.
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